[dojo-contributors] what is the raison detre for dojo 2.0.

Tom Trenka ttrenka at gmail.com
Thu Oct 11 12:00:44 EDT 2012

Inline, but before I go inline just want to make it clear that I'm
personally not offended at all.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Colin Snover <
dojo-contributors at zetafleet.com> wrote:

> We should not attempt to compete in the brochure site space.
> We should not attempt to compete in the “helper library for a
> PHP/RoR/Java server-side-rendered site” space.
> Those areas are both well-served by jQuery and other more specialised
> libraries, and frankly, I doubt anybody here is even interested in
> working in those areas, so why they are the topic of discussion is
> beyond me. Because we are weak there? Of course we are. It isn’t our
> focus, others do it better already, and making Web *app* maintenance
> easy precludes the sorts of API shortcuts that these other libraries
> take. I’m not saying we should not look to other places for inspiration,
> but it’s absurd to say Dojo must be great at everything, just as absurd
> as the notion that jQuery or MooTools or YUI need to be great at
> everything.

I don't think that's what we're suggesting at all, outside of a marketing
perspective.  The fact of the matter is that we *already* have these
things, done in a way that is currently a little schizophrenic.  I use the
Dojo base all the time for things like brochureware sites; it was
structured in such a way to make that really easy to do, with all of the
tools I would need for it.

And I think any Core library should be fulfilling those needs, regardless.

What I *do* think is that we rarely promote Dojo Base/Nano that way, and
that might be something to consider--maybe a tutorial or two on getting
started with something like Dojo with Wordpress (as a quick example).

> We should continue to be the best in the rich client-side application
> space, since 1. that has been our focus for a long time, 2. it is where
> we excel, 3. it is where the majority of contributors are invested in
> their day-to-day work, and 4. it is a space that is still in need of our
> experience and innovation.

No disagreement there at all; just saying that that is and will continue to
be built on top of a strong, streamlined core that we might try to market
by itself better.  From a personal standpoint, I find it really frustrating
when we get people coming in saying "How do I do this in Dojo" when they
are really talking about Dijit (as an example).

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