[dojo-contributors] Dojo & Mobile - devs needed

Shane O'Sullivan shaneosullivan1 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 5 11:52:58 EDT 2010


There are some limitations, e.g. some platforms don't support
gradients, but it should, in general, look fine.

2010/10/5 Tom Trenka <ttrenka at gmail.com>:
> Charting will run just fine on anything supporting SVG or Canvas on mobile
> as is; I don't know that we'd need anything special for mobile.
> -- Tom
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> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Adam L. Peller <adam at peller.org> wrote:
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>> How far is dojox.charting from running on mobile?  I'd be thrilled if
>> we didn't have to fork the codebases for dojox.mobile.  wrt grid, I
>> wonder if a simple pagination widget based on the new data stores
>> would be sufficient?  Code size here would be a major factor.  Such a
>> light widget could also be popular on the desktop.  Perhaps this fits
>> into the new grid architecture, but I worry that it would be difficult
>> to meet conflicting goals of code size and flexibility.
>>
>> -Adam
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>> 2010/10/5 Evan Huang <evanhuangwei at gmail.com>:
>> > Hi Shane,
>> > Recalling this thread, I just got some new thoughts, please correct me
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>> > any inappropriateness(sorry for getting back late as I only recently got
>> > a
>> > chance to explore the emerging mobile world):
>> > So how about adding following two pieces to our mobile plan? If possible
>> > I'd
>> > like to spend my partial time on them after v.1.6(will need to get
>> > support
>> > from my boss ;-) )
>> > 1. dojox.mobile.Gird
>> > 2. dojox.mobile.Charting
>> > I think both of them are very important to mobile, will help us catch up
>> > and
>> > may also help make dojox.mobile outstanding(at least I haven't seen any
>> > similar activities yet in JQTouch, ShenCha...)
>> > For #1, we may try to leverage the in-progress new Grid work to figure
>> > out a
>> > lightweight mobile version(still = core + a smaller set of features)
>> > For #2, more discussions are still needed, but since we've already got
>> > an
>> > excellent dojox.charting framework, we may start by reusing the canvas
>> > impl
>> > with possible changes to make it more suitable for mobile.
>> > It's still not clear yet but I hope we could reuse most corresponding
>> > code
>> > in desktop version for #1 and #2. Once the interesting touch & gesture
>> > event
>> > layer were ready, we can then plug it in since HTML event handling is
>> > already separately encapsulated in new Grid(FIXME - the same for
>> > Charting?)
>> > As discussed previously, in the future we may have two typical
>> > usage scenario for dojox.mobile:
>> >     1. Within html page in mobile browsers
>> >     2. Run as native app in mobile(with help from some cool tools like
>> > PhoneGap),
>> > I'm optimistic that mobile Grid & Charting will apply well for the both
>> > cases.
>> > Most importantly, since mobile Grid & Charting both require significant
>> > efforts, we really need to ensure they worth the investment before hand.
>> > At last, following below are some existing mobile chartings, though most
>> > of
>> > them are still native app specific to a certain platform, I think we can
>> > get
>> > some inspiration anyway.
>> > http://designingwebinterfaces.com/mobile_chart_options
>> > http://www.zingchart.com/flash-and-html5-canvas/#compatibility
>> > http://www.keepedge.com/
>> > http://code.google.com/p/core-plot/
>> > http://code.google.com/p/s7graphview/
>> > http://www.componentone.com/SuperProducts/StudioMobile/
>> > http://www.artfulbits.com/Android/aiCharts.aspx
>> > http://www.tmssoftware.com/site/mobilechart.asp
>> > http://www.igindex.co.uk/spread-betting/mobile-charts.html
>> > Regards!
>> > - Evan
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>> > On 8/18/10 12:43 AM, Shane O'Sullivan wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm very worried about Dojo and the mobile space.  As far as I can
>> >> see, we are still lacking anything resembling a cohesive strategy, and
>> >> are falling further and further behind.
>> >>
>> >> I appreciate that everyone is busy, and that this economy is forcing
>> >> everyone, me included, to focus on their day jobs.  However, unless
>> >> enough people are interested in making Dojo a killer on mobile, and
>> >> have the time to donate, we might as well just admit we're going to
>> >> focus on desktop and leave it be.
>> >>
>> >> I think dojox.mobile is a great start, and I very much want to make it
>> >> (under whatever moniker) the best mobile toolkit out there.  The work
>> >> the Uxebu guys are doing to customize Dojo for each platform is great
>> >> too, and very much needed.
>> >>
>> >> However, what users want is a solid framework and great widgets.  We
>> >> don't have them yet, and at the current rate, I don't think we will
>> >> have them this side of 2012.
>> >>
>> >> So, I'm willing to put a good amount of my time into dojox.mobile, but
>> >> unless others have time to contribute it'll never be anything close to
>> >> world class.  At the recent London mobile meet we had a good
>> >> discussion about where Dojo should go, but unfortunately no one
>> >> offered to actually write code for dojox.mobile.
>> >>
>> >> Can I get a show of hands?  Alternatively, a simple "I don't have the
>> >> time" will do too.  I need to know if I'll be wasting my time on a
>> >> project that no one else has time to work on, or if there are 4 or 5
>> >> others who have the scope to build something great.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Shane
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