[dojo-contributors] Forums to Die, Mail vote.
ttrenka at gmail.com
Thu May 28 21:37:32 EDT 2009
+1, with the caveat that we NEED to ensure that:
1. it's clear on how to use the mailing lists (you'd be amazed at how many
people don't know how to do this and frankly don't care), and
2. We provide some sort of web interface off the site, as opposed to trying
to direct people to an email client.
Again, you'd be amazed at how many people do NOT get something like a
mailing list; on top of that, a good portion of the emails coming into
dojo-interest are things like "I work at IBM and I'm out of the office until
Using the mailing lists is not a bad idea (since at that point it's a single
data point, pun not intended) but unless we provide an interface they can
use with a web interface, we're back to square one.
If we can't provide #2, then consider my vote to be -1. Personally I'm fine
with using embedded Nabble, regardless of the use of jQuery (though that
might be considered by some of the more intelligent to be part of the whole
"can't we all get along" thing).
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Mike Wilcox <mwilcox at sitepen.com> wrote:
> Mike Wilcox
> mwilcox at sitepen.com
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> On May 28, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Peter E Higgins wrote:
> > Hi Developers,
> > The time has come to end this discussion. We've been having it for
> > quite some time, and it is apparent that _something_ must happen in
> > the immediate future as our users are suffering from a number of
> > different issues.
> > We all can agree to this point on the following:
> > a) Multiple static support outlets is not helping anyone.
> > * We're dividing our already overworked developers into forums and
> > mailing lists, signficantly reducing the participation in either.
> > b) The usability of the Drupal Forums is poor.
> > c) E-mail is future proof.
> > So, at last night's meeting we had a healthy discussion
> > [dojo.deathmatch(ftw)] trying to come to a consensus. The summary is,
> > more or less:
> > The forums need to go away. We need to make them read-only, and
> > clearly direct everyone to the mailing list. This needs to happen
> > immediately and precisely so there are no confused users during the
> > transition and no one wondering where to find support. We want to keep
> > email, as it is the preference of the majority and has been reliable
> > for years now. The idea is to pick an email outlet and work from
> > there on the interface, either adopting groups or nabble, but
> > ultimately tie it into whatever email system we pick.
> > So I'm proposing a vote on the more specific issue of what to do
> > _after_ we discontinue the forums. The vote is:
> > Vote to continue using the existing in-house mailing lists, while
> > allowing external interfaces via the users choice of software (nabble
> > or similar software to be linked to from dtk.org and people can use
> > email or other options). In the future we are open to providing
> > additional interfaces either internally or externally as appropriate.
> > Dojo-interest will be renamed and/or split into 1 or more mailing
> > lists as deemed appropriate by discussion and/or voting (or we can
> > stick wit t he dojo-core/dijit/dojox if desired). All existing
> > mailing list users will automatically be integrated into this
> > process. Archives will continue as they are and can be styled further
> > in the future if desired or left as they are (and pretty standard
> > among mailing list archives)
> > Your votes will be weighted based on participation in either the
> > forums or mailing lists. I'm +1, which is more +5ish ;)
> > Regards,
> > Peter
> > --
> > Peter E Higgins
> > Dojo Project Lead : http://dojotoolkit.org
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