[dojo-contributors] Google Groups management

Eugene Lazutkin eugene at lazutkin.com
Tue May 26 17:57:17 EDT 2009

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All good points --- I didn't think this way, but SO may be a good
alternative to a dedicated forum and/or a mailing list. For example it
immediately solves the problem of posting code --- it uses plain and
simple yet highly flexible Markdown, which is intuitive for most, and it
has the "live" view (WYSIWYG) while you type.

Frankly Nikolai and you convinced me that if we go with a flexible
system (convenient ways to access, sorting by tags, RSS, API...) it'll
be better than a custom solution created specifically for us --- we can
always do a mash up if the underlying system we use is an open one.


Eugene Lazutkin
Dojo Toolkit, Committer

PS: BTW I monitor SO for "dojo" using RSS almost since it has started
and it appears to work well.

On 05/26/2009 01:29 PM, James Burke wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Dylan Schiemann <dylan at dojotoolkit.org> wrote:
>> In my ideal world, the forums system would really have some of the same
>> benefits of a information/knowledge management system, or a FAQs
>> system... right now, the existing system has solved the performance
>> issue (thanks to the tireless work of Dustin), but we're lacking three
>> main things:
>> * making sure all questions get answered
>> * making sure highly useful or correct answers filter to the top for
>> future use
>> * email/forum/[insert other system] unification so all messages get
>> routed and received in the user's choice of mechanisms
>> On the first point, we're missing a few things:
>> * mechanism mark a question as answered
>> * mechanism to easily assign questions to the subject experts for that
>> question
> http://stackoverflow.com would give us close to what Dylan outlines,
> and I now believe it will be a better solution than Google Groups. I
> do not believe trying to install or make a system will get us anywhere
> past our current problems.
> Reasons I like stackoverflow.com:
> - Allows anyone to edit/modify the questions. This is helpful to
> rephrase and make a canonical question.
> - When you enter a new question, it lists potential matches of already
> asked questions, helping to cut down on duplicates.
> - It has tags, so we can filter things by dojo/dojox/dijit. Example:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/dojo
> - It allows marking a reply as "the answer".
> - Has a strong, motivated community: since participants get "rep" for
> participating in the site, I believe it generates higher probability
> of a question getting answered.
> - There is a larger community to help with the spam issue, as well as
> motivated stackoverflow employees continuing to modify the system to
> help mitigate it.
> - It has pretty markup for inline code. Example:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/477085/dojo-xd-js-not-recognizing-dojox-data-csvstore
> - Uses OpenID for logins, so you likely do not need a new login, you
> probably already have an OpenID login that works.
> - Someone else hosts the infrastructure, and they are very motivated
> to keep it running since this is their reason for being.
> - It has strong google juice.
> - stackoverflow.com is made by developers for developers:
> http://stackoverflow.com/about
> One thing that is missing is email notifications, but each tag has an
> RSS feed you can subscribe to -- any RSS reader can give you the
> read/unread feature like email. For me the stronger social features,
> inline code markup and editing/marking as "the answer" make up for no
> email.
> The migration plan would be the following:
> Change the dtk.org forum page to say "ask questions at
> stackoverflow.com, and use these kinds of tags". Then have a section
> saying "looking for an old question asked on the dtk.org forum? Click
> here", which would take the user to a read-only view of our current
> forums.
> I would keep the current forum running on Drupal for now, just in
> read-only mode. If someone wants to do a wget-style saving of the
> current forum, then go for it, otherwise, just keep Drupal going for
> another year. At that point, the forum info will not be so useful
> (stackoverflow will have been populated with more relevant info) and
> we can just remove it. Or not, keep it around, but we can make that
> call in another year.
> Kill dojo-interest, keep dojo-contributors.
> James
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