[dojo-contributors] Google Groups management

Adam Peller peller at gmail.com
Mon May 11 17:23:09 EDT 2009

We'll probably have to agree to disagree on this, but my take is that
we should not try to bend another solution to our will; we should just
find something good and use it.  We need to get out of the business of
building our own solutions, except where we have to.   Hopefully we
will find something long-lived and not end up with another jot (that,
in my mind is the biggest risk, but one that is relatively low with

As for old content, I still recommend we just freeze what we have
and/or do a one-time export, if that's doable.  Just having it indexed
somewhere is good enough, in my view.  I don't think the old content
has to be migrated into the system we end up using.  We need to be
focused on the future.


On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Dustin Machi <dmachi at dojotoolkit.org> wrote:
> I've stated my opinion on this previously and it remains unchanged.  I
> do not think that moving this stuff outside of our infrastructure will
> do anything to ease the maintenance of our community.  I've stated in
> the previous thread that the ongoing maint is not the primary issue,
> it is migration where the time is needed and this exists in either the
> case of external software or internal software. In the case of
> external software there is either a need to import current data into
> the new system or continue to maintain the existing system, which both
> complicates searching of the forums as well as eliminates the ongoing
> maintenance argument.
> The primary impetus of the previous discussion was due to performance
> problems that existed at the time and those problems were solved.
> While the conversation devolved into everyone's wishlist of features
> for forums, it was secondary to the initial problem.  I agree that we
> should migrate to something else since noone is willing to put effort
> into it, but i fail to see why it needs to be done externally.  I
> don't see how it can be though of as simplifying maint by moving it
> externally.  It simply makes it more difficult to integrate and bend
> to our will.  The migration and maint tasks exist in either case and
> community maint is made more difficult.
> Futhermore, it is a complete misinterpretation to think that it was
> previously implied that 'django would solve all our problems'.  We
> simply said we would rather have standalone packages for the
> individual components and I continue to believe this should be the
> approach that we take.  The reference to django was only preference to
> solutions that were written with or used django would be weighted as
> we have active developers and contributors who are familiar with it
> and could make modifications and updates as necessary.  We are of
> course free to choose a forum (or any service solutions for that
> matter) that is composed of something else, but the trade off comes
> from the number of people willing to learn and work on it...the
> primary drupal problem.
> So while I think its the wrong decision to move everything offsite and
> I think we will regret doing so in the future, we can proceed with
> that option, but will still need to find people to do the migrations
> and maint.  There should be at least one primary Ops person per
> foundation project who is the primary ops/support person for that
> project. I'll then support these people from the foundation perspective.
> -1 offsite apps, +1 getting rid of dojo-interest,
> Dustin
> On May 11, 2009, at 1:26 AM, James Burke wrote:
>> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Peter E Higgins <dante at dojotoolkit.org
>> > wrote:
>>> And not that I want to rehash this topic, but I am getting
>>> increasingly
>>> disgusted by the separation. Half the questions that _could_ be
>>> easily
>>> fielded by the committers are going to the dojo-interest group, which
>>> seems VERY FEW of the committers read or respond to. The other half
>>> go
>>> unanswered in the forums. I only assume few committers read the
>>> forums
>>> because of the horrible horrible usability of the forum software. I
>>> assume because I've done nothing but erase spam messages from
>>> topics for
>>> the last two weeks, I've had to plain turn off commenting on some
>>> of the
>>> current front-page blogs because I have been unable to keep up, and
>>> no
>>> one seems to be helping. Even worse, Drupal's crap usability
>>> prevents me
>>> from erasing spam comments _while_ comments are disabled or "read
>>> only",
>>> so in some cases new spam is coming in while I'm attempting to erase.
>>> I've yet to find a way to bulk erase comments.
>> If it is any consolation, I also spent a good amount of time starting
>> last weekend removing spam and marking some posts as read only.
>> Annoying it has gotten so bad lately.
>> I favor using Google Groups or stackoverflow.com for the forum-like
>> help services. stackoverflow.com might be better at dealing with the
>> spam vs Google Groups.
>> It seems best to move as much infrastructure to services that are
>> better staffed/focused to deal with these issues. As Peter points out,
>> no one seems to have an interest/time in touching the drupal config
>> (excluding Dustin's efforts to just keep it running). I am also bummed
>> about the planet issue.
>> James
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