[dojo-contributors] Forums for testing/comparison

Tom Trenka ttrenka at gmail.com
Sun Dec 17 15:34:24 EST 2006


To be honest with you, I'm not sure the original or current goals are really
outlined; there was an original list, and then everyone chimed in with
personal wants.

An outline would be good.

On 12/17/06, Neil Roberts <neil at onebahamas.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know enough about these packages to outline how well they fit
> with our original goals?
> -Neil
>
> On Dec 17, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Tom Trenka wrote:
>
> I don't think this is true: I am not an art designer in any sense, I
>
> > can not design interface (although I can write corresponding css and
> > html based on an image mockup), so based on the appearence of the app
> > to judge the underlying code quality is something (fundamentally)
> > wrong. (I know quite some developers are pure programmer, but not
> > designer)
>
>
> You demonstrate my point without intending to demonstrate my point, I
> think :)  The point is that most developers don't consider the visual design
> to be an integral aspect of a package, and code accordingly; they tend to
> think that if they put some device in place, such as a template system or a
> skinning system, that *all will be fine*.
>
> I'm suggesting here the following:
> 1.  default visuals reflect underlying code (and a cursory browse through
> parts of some of the code seems to suggest this)
> 2.  regardless of Karl's volunteerism (which is great, thank you again),
> the idea that someone will be able to both hack said packages before launch,
> and do it in a way that will serve our purposes *well*, is unlikely and
> can't be expected.
>
> I'm saying that it will be much easier to deal with a standard, visually
> appealing package set that we could launch tomorrow, than it would be to
> hack on something for a couple of months.  I'm also saying that bbPress in
> particular will still serve our needs just as well as any other package.
>
> You also need to understand that bbPress was designed, in a large part,
> because the other forum packages that are available are not as simple to
> hack to one would like to think; the WP guys aren't the type of people to
> write software packages like that for the sake of writing a package like
> that.  They started the project because they examined most of the packages
> out there and found all of them wanting.
>
> trt
>
> (at least, that's what I remember; I could be wrong, someone with personal
> interactions with WP may have a better picture.)
>
> >
> > > I'd also argue (and the reason why I made the remark in the first
> > place) is
> > > that the visual is not always easy to change; in fact, the visual
> > design is
> > > often a reflection of limitations in the coding approach.
> > don't judge a person based on his appearence, that's a old chinese
> > adage, and I'd say:
> > don't judge a (open source) project based on its visual design
>
>
> btw, I think you know me better than that, Liu :)
>
> >
> > > The other advantage that I'd like to point out is that a good portion
> > of the
> > > N. Ca. Dojo committer team happen to know a good portion of the
> > WP/bbPress
> > > team, which is always a benefit.
> > >
> > > trt
> > >
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