[ng-dhtml] ant frustrations

Martin Cooper mfncooper at gmail.com
Wed Sep 29 22:42:09 CDT 2004

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:28:04 -0700, Mark D. Anderson <mda at discerning.com> wrote:
> i don't even try to get Ant to do things in-process anymore, because
> i always get screwed by some impenetrable problem with classpath,
> or jvm args, or xml libraries, or class loader security, or
> threads, or ...
> so i end up with things like:
>     <property name="jvm.options" value="-Xmx512m"/>
>     ...
>     <java classname="org.kp.anuhak.velocity.SyntaxCheck" fork="yes"
>     failonerror="yes">
>       <env key="PATH" path="${java.library.path};${jvm.path}"/>
>        ...
>       <jvmarg value="${jvm.options}"/>
>       ...
>       <classpath>
>          <pathelement path="${build.classes}"/>
>           ...

I can see why you would think Ant is slow...

> Of course, you have to repeat that nonsense everywhere, because ant
> has such poor abstraction mechanisms.

You have, of course, looked at the macro and import features recently
added to Ant, right? ;-)


> And you have to suffer from its piss-poor handling of external
> processes (backgrounding, exit codes, stderr, harvesting children,
> etc.).
> And you have a big performance hit, because java takes so long
> to get its lumbering ass out of bed.
> But at least then you can run arbitrary programs that use java.
> Which I guess is good.
> -mda
> p.s.: Maybe I'd feel better about the above if I could call it a
> "pattern".
> You know, like the "why can't i do this simple thing" pattern.
> It is certainly inversion of control -- I've lost all control, and Ant
> has all of it....
> p.p.s.: I like the tone of the http://hates-software.com/ sites.
> Maybe it is finally time for me to set up my own. As long as
> nobody calls it a blog....
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